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A. A. Faraj, Feb. 20, 2006:
Dragan N. Turanyanin, Feb 19,2006: Email: turanyanin@yahoo.com
I agree with Turanyanin, these are good but still under-publicized ideas.
A. A. Faraj on Tsolkas' Perihelion Advance Idea
In final, that is the real classical meaning of the two-body problem with the "reduce" mass of the system. Basically the same (but in details) could be found in the fine article "On Newton's Paradoxes" by C. Santagata, Journal of Theoretics, Extensive Papers, 2002. A very similar approach has J. A. Rybczyk, Inertia and Gravity, Millennium Relativity.
An advance understanding of the gravity (and related) phenomena goes much further: Vector gravitodynamics on the surface but non-linear wave space-gravity at the roots of Nature ( see D. Turanyanin, On Interaction of Mot. Masses, Journal of Theoretics, 1983/2004 and Wave Gravity, GSJ, 2005). The gravito-Lorentz equation in different ways shows itself as very useful (Tajmar and Matos, T. de Mess). In this author proposal, such an equation but with hi-gamma factor for the momentum, is quite fundamental for the right quantitative calculations in the celestial mechanics (and the related area of the flying objects - NASA Pioneers, Gravity Probe B etc.)
A. A. Faraj, Feb. 18, 2006: Remarks on C. A. Tsolkas’ (http://www.wbabin.net/tsolkas/tsolkas3.htm):
In this highly original article, the idea of revolving solar center of mass is put forward as an explanation of the long-standing anomaly of Mercury’s Perihelion Advance. In spite of all the publicity, the anomalous perihelion rotation of Mercury is still an unsolved problem. And to all those who blindly trust conventional wisdom, one can justifiably say that the Einsteinian explanation of the Mercury Anomaly is absolutely ridiculous and has no chance at all of being correct.
Examined closely, this new idea of revolving sun is undoubtedly the correct explanation of the Perihelion Anomaly. One only needs to take into account the revolving sun around the gravitational center of the sun and Jupiter to see at once this brilliant idea is the right one.
Now as it is often the case in astronomy and physical science in general, there are plenty of correct qualitative ideas that, upon detailed calculations, fail miserably to give the right numerical magnitude. For instance, one may try to use the rotation of the Solar System around the center of the Milky Way to explain away the Mercury Anomaly. But, upon detailed computations, one can obtain no more than 0.5 seconds of arc per century. Moreover, the Perihelion Advance of Mercury is never measured either with respect to the local standard of rest or with respect to distant galaxies. The value of this anomaly is obtained solely from the data analysis of Mercury’s transits, which occur only in May and November.
The quantitative failure of the correct qualitative ideas is repeated so often in exact sciences that one is psychologically conditioned not to take seriously any idea unless exact numerical calculations are worked out and given in detail.
Of course, this sort of Pavlov conditioning works also the other way around. That is to say, one can fool scientists and force them to accept absurd qualitative ideas by merely doing lengthy and fantastically precise calculations. That is exactly what Albert Einstein had done in this case. I cannot pretend I have done the detailed calculations regarding Tsolkas’ idea. But from casual inspection of the published works of Laplace, Lagrange, Le Verier, and Newcomb on the Perturbation theory in celestial mechanics, I can with certainty estimate that the detailed quantitative treatment, in this case, will take about 100 regular pages of uninterrupted calculations.
Can the author of the above paper do it? He certainly has the stamina and the motivation to carry out this horrendous sort of calculations and to clinch once and for all the evidence.
Brief
Comments on Dr Sfarti’s Paper, (
The Sagnac Effect
):
I’ve read
this paper twice and found it for the most part satisfactory, at least from
conventional perspective.
Nonetheless, the author, near the end of his
paper, appears quite indignant at what he called “claims” and ‘seminal tenet for making them against STR, and in
the process makes an erroneous assertion worth noting.
Dr Sfarti
believes (c + v) and (c – v) have no bearing whatsoever on the
validity of STR, and chastises the critics for it.
But (c +
v) and (c – v) are precisely the definition of relative light
velocity with respect to observers whose velocity vectors are parallel to that
of the incident light.
The moving
observers measure the quantities (c + v) and (c – v), and conclude
that, in the two cases, velocity of light relative to them is (c + v) and
(c – v), respectively.
The
official version of STR denies this in principle and declares that the velocity
of light relative to any observer, whether in motion or not, must be equal to c.
That is what the Postulate of Constancy is all about.
At the same
time, STR in practice does what the Good Old Ether Theory is doing all along,
and uses, without proper justification, the quantities (c + v) and (c
– v) in its calculations of Sagnac effect, Doppler effect,
…etc..
Therefore,
it must be concluded that STR is not a consistent theory, whether its supporters
agree with this conclusion or not.
A. Sfarti, May 28, 2005:
I recommend re-reading the last by one sentence in my paper: "We specifically point out that those
quantities do not refer to the speed of light, but rather to the sum
and
difference of the speed of light and the speed of some other object,
both with respect to a single inertial coordinate system, which can be
as great as 2c according to special relativity."
A. Faraj, May 29, 2005:
It’s clear and simple. Yet, Mr. Sfarti has insisted, here and elsewhere and for long time, that the difference between two velocities is not a velocity. And the sum of two velocities is not a velocity. Obviously, the problem, here, is very basic. So what is it?
Adrian is not helpful in this regard. He just keeps repeating ‘velocity sums’ and ‘velocity differences’ are not velocities, over and over again with little or no additional information at all.
Therefore, let’s try to overcome “Kuhn’s Incommensurability Barrier” and look at the matter from his perspective.
The first thing, we can see from this position, is that the term ‘Velocity’ for him means only what we call ‘Actual Velocity’.
It does not include what we call ‘Relative Velocity’.
We all agree that ‘c’ is the actual velocity of light, and ‘v’ is the actual velocity of the observer, as judged from a third frame of reference at rest with respect to both. Thus, when Adrian tells us (c + v) and (c - v) are not velocities, he means they are not actual velocities. We grant him this, and we agree with him that (c + v) and (c - v) are not actual .velocities. No ray of light flies around in space with (c + v) or (c - v) just because some observer is moving with velocity ‘v’.
Now we want him to agree with us and with every textbook on the basics of kinematics that (c + v) and (c - v) are ‘Relative Velocities’. Will he agree? Will he give us his own definition of the term ‘Relative Velocity’?
I certainly hope so. Because Adrian is a colleague. And nothing more distressing and heart-breaking than to see a colleague using defective arguments to defend his pet theory.
Clearly, Adrian is not an Orthodox Relativist. Otherwise, he would have used Orthodox methods to defend his position.
How do Orthodox Relativists defend their position in this case?
HINT: Vagueness, Vagueness, Vagueness, and Jumping forever back and forth between two frames of reference....
A. Sfarti, May 30, 2005: The point that I
make is that time and again, in the (erroneous) interpretation of the
Sagnac experiments people take "c+v" (and the Sagnac experiment as a
whole) as a contradiction to STR. Galilean relativity and STR actulally
agree that "c+v" represents a relative speed. In the Sagnac experiment,
"c+v" is created by the fact that the paltform rotates toward the
incoming light fron with the speed "v". Where Galilean relativists and
SRT proponents differ is in interpreting the speed of light as viewed by
an observer tied to the rotating platform : the Galilean relativists
expect it to be "c+v" while the SRT people know by now (see the MM
experiment) that it is "c". One last thing: I am far from being an
Orthodox SRT person, please see my paper on Generalization of SRT on the
current website.
A. Faraj, Jun. 1, 2005:
On the other hand, the Sagnac Experiment, the Michelson-Gale Experiment, and the Doppler effect cannot be explained away by STR, unless (c & v) are additive.
Before the first STR Explanation in 1985 [Chow, W. W., et al, (1985). Rev. Mod. Phys. 57, 61-104], the general consensus was that STR does not apply to rotating frames of reference. And hence, the Sagnac effect was not a problem.
The Doppler effect, however, is a big problem. Because, no matter what theory is used, Doppler effect always implies additive (c & v). Not only that, but also Doppler effect is one of the most reliable tools for measuring relative velocities. And although (c + v) and (c - v) have never been measured directly, there is little doubt, that their flight time over a pre-specified distance d is [d/(c + v)] and [d/(c - v)], exactly as inferred from their Doppler shift in the reference frame of the moving observer.
A. Sfarti, Jun. 2, 2005:
M. Yagan, Jun. 2, 2005:
This is equivalent to the M-M experiment which was conducted in the proper
reference frame of light (transmitter, reciever and observer were at rest
relative to each other) as for the inertial observer (with respect to the hub
axis) not being in the proper reference frame (moving relative to
transmitters) measures interference between the 2 signals equivalent to the
delay observed by the observer on the ground in the imaginary train
experiment. So basically its Doppler shift which is iterpreted as
simultaneity break (actually the head of both photons-waves reach the
detector at the same time but the period of these waves are different so is
the time to be absorbed by the detector).The process of sending and
receiving signals in the same reference frame is a totaly different physical
process than sending and receiving signals between different reference
frames therefore the observations and measurements of one does not reflect
the other.
A. Faraj, Jun. 2, 2005
Adrian has suggested evaluating the numerous reformulations and modifications of STR, including the one proposed by him. However, it’s an unacceptable practice, in criticizing a prominent theory, to treat a new version of it as canonical before it is deemed as such by the Conventional Community. That is because such critique is a waste of time at best and a straw-man fallacy at worst.
Adrian, also, needs to make his position, regarding the Constancy Postulate, explicit and clear. Since it appears that, in his various expositions, the Postulate of Constancy is either given an implicit Galilean re-interpretation or quietly abandoned altogether.
A. Sfarti, Jun. 4, 2005:
One more try! See the PDF file, The Sagnac Effect
A. Sfarti, Jun.10, 2005: Are you aware that the
"emission theory", (A.A. Cyrenika, APEIRON 2000) used in your paper
produces results that disagree with the Ives-Stilwell experimental data
while STR produces results in total agreement?
A. Faraj, June 10, 2005:
A. Faraj, Jun. 11, 2005:
In spite of all this, I’m, here, going to break the above rule. And since Adrian is one of very few people who take the trouble to read my Comments, I shall do my best to be objective.
The following remarks are my final comments on this article of A. Sfarti (http://www.wbabin.net/sfarti/sfarti2.htm).
A. Sfarti, Jun. 13,2005
We turn now to the two basic questions, which in his view, I haven’t answered.
[B] Does Ives-Stilwell Experiment support STR?
Now, we discuss the second part of Adrian’s problem. He stated that if one uses the Cyrenika Doppler formula (actually the Stewart Doppler formula), the results disagree with the Ives-Stilwell data. That is simply not true. The Emission, the Ballistic, the Ritz, or call it what you want, faces exactly the same anomaly as STR, by giving larger Doppler shift than the one given by the Classical Theory. However, the STR formula has only one v, while the Ballistic formula has two, one v for the source and one v for the observer. With these two velocities, the Emission Theory can account for almost any Doppler anomaly. That is because, as E. Fermi used to say, with few more free parameters, one can construct an elephant!
Moreover, the Gamma factor of the Emission Theory, unlike that of STR, contains the term ‘sin(i) squared’, which makes it extremely flexible. Besides all this, there is the Cyrenika formula (truly his) for the so-called Delta effect, which can produce Doppler-like shift of almost any magnitude depending on distance and acceleration.
The theory just can’t fail in this regard. Poor Ives…may the march of technology have him vindicated in the near future!
A. Sfarti, Jun. 15, 2005: AS - I corrected the paper, please see the new upload. The main
point is that the explanation is trivial and is INDEPENDENT of the
theory being used. Has nothing specific to do with STR. "AAF: [A] Does
the Sagnac Experiment disprove Einstein’s Special Theory of Relativity?
The answer is YES. Unless it’s assumed that STR does not apply to
rotating frames of reference, the Postulate of Constancy is sufficiently
falsified by the positive outcome of the Sagnac Experiment. " AS : We
have a strong disagreement here based on the trivial explanation given
to the Sagnac experiment. "AAF [B] Does Ives-Stilwell Experiment support
STR? Let’s examine the facts. The STR Doppler formula gives in all cases
Doppler shift greater than that given by the Classical Doppler formula.
Ives and Stilwell set out in 1937 to test just that. Using canal rays (H
ions), they obtained the value given by the Classical Doppler formula,
which is about 0.046A less than the one given by the STR formula. So
Ives thought the evidence is clinched against Special Relativity." AS:
Correct , there are some small differences. See the newly uploaded paper
on the Doppler shift. " AAF : Now, we discuss the second part of
Adrian’s problem. He stated that if one uses the Cyrenika Doppler
formula (actually the Stewart Doppler formula), the results disagree
with the Ives-Stilwell data. " AS : Please plug in Cyrenika's formula in
the IS experiment. BTW, you are wrong on the STR description of Doppler,
of course STR has provision for both the speed of the emitter and the
receiver. See same paper.
A. Faraj, Jun 16, 2005:
As for your Article (http://www.wbabin.net/sfarti/sfarti5.pdf), it's
somewhat long. I prefer to write an article on it, in rebuttal, which may
take a while. It may be a good to have an HTM version of your Paper available; the PDF is
too slow.
A. Sfarti, Jun. 16, 2005:
A. Faraj: Jun.17, 2005:
Re: Your paper is not official. It cannot be used to evaluate STR.
Besides, you clearly have a trouble with the basics. How can you claim that a
theory, which prides itself on 'all motions are relative', makes distinction
between actual velocities? In no way, on this theory, observers can know
whether they are moving or at rest. The two states are by the first postulate absolutely
equal. Don't mention your version of it to deny this. Yours is not
official, OK?
A. Sfarti wrote "...why don't you plug in the (only) v in the Cyrenika
formula for Doppler effect and compare with the experimental results of
Ives-Stilwell"?
Re: How many pages it took you to plug it into Einstein's formula,
which has been plugged in a million times before you. Be patient! Originality is
never served on a silver plate.
A. Sfarti wrote "Trying to use a discredited theory (emission, not even
APEIRON accepts papers on this thing anymore) on a trivially
explainable experiment (Sagnac) will not achieve you a shot to "immortality" to
quote you somewhat liberally. I wrote the pieces on Sagnac and on Doppler
just to help you but you seem set to persist. Good luck, I am sure that you'll
find some fringe magazine to publish your paper on Sagnac"!
Re: Man, what happened to you? I thought the passing of the years made
a wise person out of you. Look, if it's the phrase "TOO SLOW", I'm sorry
I didn't mean it that way. And if it's the 'PROMISED REBUTTAL', don't
worry it will be in the form of general rebuttal. Your Paper, of course, will be
among the references, but it will not be subjected to any direct attack. OK?
I think this should be the end of the DEBATE. Frankly, I'm started to get
tired as well. GOOD LUCK TO YOU TOO.....
A. Sfarti, Jun. 18, 2005: AS
answers : Uh-oh, we're getting personal here, aren't
we? Again, you are
wrong. The theory in the paper on Doppler is
textbook stuff, college
level. It's not my theory, it is just trivial stuff.
The fact that you
don't recognize the formulas doesn't mean that I
"have trouble with the
basics". If you took some time to look at the
formulas you'd discover
that they are perfectly equivalent to the ones you
are used to. Like in
all the other cases where you jumped the gun, I'll
respond by adding a
few sentences that prove that I really understand
"the basics". A lot
better than you think.
A.A.Faraj writes: "But (c + v) and (c – v) are precisely the
definition of relative light velocity with respect to observers whose
velocity vectors are parallel to that of the incident light. The moving
observers measure the quantities (c + v) and (c – v), and conclude that,
in the two cases, velocity of light relative to them is (c + v) and (c –
v), respectively." The statement is not correct. Apparently these
type of statements are at the root of all the confusions swirling around
the Sagnac effect. The speed "c+v" is not an observed speed. It is
simply the sum of the speed of the light front (c) and the speed of the
rotating platform (v).
(c + v) is the relative velocity of light with respect to an observer, in direct approach to the light source, with velocity v.
(c - v) is the relative velocity of light with respect to an observer, in direct recession from the source of light, with velocity v.
A.A.Faraj writes: "We all agree that ‘c’ is the actual velocity
of light, and ‘v’ is the actual velocity of the observer, as judged from
a third frame of reference at rest with respect to both. Thus, when
Adrian tells us (c + v) and (c - v) are not velocities, he means they
are not actual velocities. We grant him this, and we agree with him that
(c + v) and (c - v) are not actual .velocities. No ray of light flies
around in space with (c + v) or (c - v) just because some observer is
moving with velocity ‘v’." Yes, I agree with the above.
Now this is the main problem with the STR Explanations.
The MM experiment cannot be explained away
by
STR unless c and v are non additive" This is incorrect. There are many
explanations of the MM experiment WITHIN the framework of STR that
employ "c+v" and "c-v". For a very recent explanation please see my
paper Generalization of the Standard Theory of Relativity. Time and again: MM,
Sagnac, Thomas Wigner (this one is a much tougher one, see my very
recent paper on the same website ) can and are being explained
consistently within the STR framework. I will write soon an explanation
for the Doppler effect. To my best knowledge there is no effect that
contradicts STR. In my writings I try to help people avoid wasting
their time in terms of finding experiments that contradict STR.
On the Sagnac Effect by Dr. Sfarti
In his paper at this site and in his e-book published at www.mathpages.com
(where he used more harsh words to the same end) concludes that the Sagnac
effect can not be used against STR. what the sagnac experiment in
conjunction with the Michelson Morley experiment and the imaginary train of
Einstein all together suggest to me is not the fallacy of the Lorentz
transformations rather the fallacy of STR predictions. The Sagnac setup is
the proper reference frame of light where the transmitter, receiver and
observer are at rest relative to each other (see my paper Relativistic
Dynamics of Field-Particle System) so if an interferometer is
fixed to the loop in the receiving end it will not register any interference.
In almost every textbook on STR, the Michelson calculations on the basis of additive (c & v), are reproduced, and their failure, by the virtue of the Null Result of his Experiment, is clearly stated. This well-known ‘Null Experimental Result’ is made a fundamental postulate of STR, the ‘Postulate of Constancy’, by Einstein himself.Hence, the Postulate of Constancy is the negation of Additive (c & v). And the negation of the additive (c & v) is necessarily Non-additive (c & v). That should be the end of it. No further STR explanation of the ‘Null Result’ is logically possible. How can one explain a fundamental postulate of some theory on the basis of that theory? Any attempt in that direction is completely futile and viciously circular.
AA Faraj wites: "The Doppler effect, however, is a big problem. Because, no
matter what theory is used, Doppler effect always implies additive (c &
v). Not only that, but also Doppler effect is one of the most reliable
tools for measuring relative velocities."
Adrian’s conjecture that “the emission theory ....... produces results that disagree with the Ives-Stilwell experimental data while STR produces results in total agreement” is incorrect.
The Ives-Stilwell Experiment is perfectly consistent with the Emission Theory. Check for example (http://www.wbabin.net/physics/faraj4.htm").
Is Adrian aware of this new experimental finding: “Absence of Transverse Doppler Shift at Microwave Frequencies”
(http://fodok.uni-linz.ac.at/fodok/publikation.xsql?PUB_ID=11801)?
That is a challenge for Special Relativity, but not for theories built upon variable speed of light, including the Emission Theory.
Furthermore, the Ives-Stilwell Experiment is not in total agreement with STR as Adrian thinks.
In fact, according to H. Hayden, H. Ives rejected STR completely.
Thesis 1 : Published on Vol. 6 no. 6 Galilean Electrodynamics,
Nov/Dec.1995 pp. 103 SHI-MING WANG & HOFF LU
"... Wang and Lu (p. 103) present evidence from the Ives-Stillwell data that the earth moves with respect to the preferred reference frame of the cosmos. Herbert Ives battled Einstein theory until his dying day, despite the fact that the Ives-Stilwell experiment is frequently cited as support for the theory. I believe that he would be very happy that experimentalists and theorists alike still pore over the data and find new ways to challenge Einstein theory...”-Professor Howard Hayden, Editor of Galilean Electrodynamics (http://www.hoff-lu-institute.org/publications.htm).
As a rule of thumb, the evaluation of any STR modification is a total waste of time. The reason is simple. The STR believers would see it as a case of ‘heretic bites heretic’, and has nothing to do with them. The Originator, who is usually so attached emotionally to his new STR version, would also dismiss such a review as biased and an attack on his long shot at ‘Scientific Immortality’.
[1] The first two figures, used by Adrian to illustrate the Sagnac effect, can be very misleading. Fiber optics aside, light can never travel in a perfect circle except, perhaps, around some theoretical GTR black hole. The circle, in the Sagnac Experiment, is the trajectory of the rotating apparatus only. The light path is necessarily a polygon.
The rest of Adrian’s Article, from “Despite the ease and clarity…” to “…that intervene in the explanation of the Michaelson-Morley experiment ”, has been the subject of the lengthy debate above, between Adrian, Yagan, and me. And I believe I have won.
[2] What Adrian calls the ‘end’ is not the end. It’s the detector which must travel ‘slightly greater distance’ in the direction of its rotation than in the opposite direction.
[3] The factor g of STR can be used only in the rectilinear displacement of inertial co-ordinate systems. It does not work in the cases of rotating frames of references.
That is why GTR is invented. Because rotating platforms are not inertial systems, what Adrian calls ‘Sagnac delay’ is baseless. A clock attached to the rotating ‘ring’ cannot even be synchronized with itself according to Einstein’s Operational Procedure. The conclusions drawn by Adrian, therefore, are non-sequitur.
[4] Forget about the ‘invariant actual phase difference’! That is only a minor glitch compared to his biggest mistake, in this article so far, of ‘no Doppler shift involved in a Sagnac device’. What else could Dt possibly involve except the Doppler shift caused by the rate of change of detector displacement with time? It’s blue Doppler shift, when the detector approaches one beam, and red Doppler shift, when the detector recedes from the beam. Hopefully, Adrian will have better feeling for Doppler effect upon the completion of his Promised Paper.
[5] The last figure, used by Adrian to illustrate the Sagnac effect, is even more misleading than the first two. The trajectory of the rotating mirrors must be a circle in all cases involving the Sagnac effect. Briefly, the polygon for light, and the circle for the mirrors and the rest of the apparatus. The two must not be confused.
[6] Adrian wrote “One of the first applications…..to measure the absolute rotation of the Earth…”. A true student of Einstein should not believe in absolute rotation. I like it!
[7] Monsieur Sagnac is the sole discoverer of his effect. Other priority claims are merely a sad reminder of the Nationalistic rivalries of the early 20th Century. Adrian should know better.
[8] Adrian tells his readers that co-ordinates containing cos(wt) and sin(wt) are arbitrary polygonal loops. They are not. They are, in fact, circular loops. As a rule, whenever there is a constant w, there is a perfect circle.
A.A.Faraj gives a good analysis of my paper, thank you for correcting
the oversight on the presence of the Doppler effect in the Sagnac
experiment. It will be corrected in the next version. Aside from this,
AA Faraj gets hung up in a lot of technicalities but never answers the
two fundamental problems with HIS paper:
1. The Sagnac experiment has a trivial explanation and therefore cannot
be used to disprove STR.
A. Faraj, Jun. 14, 2005:
2. The "emission theory" employed by AA Faraj in explaining the Sagnac
experiment fails in explaining the Ives Stilwell experiment (try
plugging in Cyrenica's Doppler formula and you'll see) whereas STR
numbers agree with the experiment NO MATTER how much Ives may have
protested.
Usually in a debate of this sort, one party starts by making strong statements about
some controversial issue to force the other party to respond, and things roll forward from there.
However, by graciously acknowledging an oversight with regard to Doppler effect, Adrian has cut
short this process. Therefore, I must qualify my previous statements. I’m certain that the Maxwell
Theory and the Emission Theory give Doppler shift in the Sagnac case.
I can’t say the same about STR.
Applying its Doppler formula directly to the Sagnac arrangement,
one obtains Doppler shift. But STR is a tricky theory, and may not give the same result when
viewed from a different angle. Accordingly, Adrian is advised to check and re-check the authoritative
references on STR, before making any change in his Paper.
[A] Does the Sagnac Experiment disprove Einstein’s Special Theory of Relativity?
What happened next gives credence to the supposition that science
really has its roots in sorcery! To clinch the evidence, the Ives-Stilwell data must have as much
red shift as blue shift. But their canal rays don’t allow it. The emission is primarily within a light
cone in the forward direction. The STR theorists exploited this loophole, and turned the experiment on
its head. They plugged an angle of 90 degrees into the STR formula, and got a red shift equal to the
Gamma factor. Then they declared this amount to be present in and the same for all possible angles,
not just the angle of 90. Add this tiny amount to each item in the experimental sample, and voila,
the anomaly disappears! Hence the Ives evidence has, suddenly, become inconclusive. Poor Ives! He protested and protested for no avail. The tide was against him. It was like trying to
prove to the Romans their Jupiter is composed of ammonia!
The answer is YES. Unless it’s assumed that STR does not apply to rotating frames of reference, the Postulate of Constancy is sufficiently falsified by the positive outcome of the Sagnac Experiment. There is not doubt about that. Is it wise on the part of the Physics Establishment to hold STR as valid in spite of all this? Probably…yes. The Sagnac effect is so minute. In order for them to discard their STR, they need something big. Say a radio signal goes to Mars and comes back in less than half of its expected travel time.
Let’s examine the facts. The STR Doppler formula gives in all cases Doppler shift greater than that
given by the Classical Doppler formula. Ives and Stilwell set out in 1937 to test just that.
Using canal rays (H ions), they obtained the value given by the Classical Doppler formula,
which is about 0.046A less than the one given by the STR formula. So Ives thought the evidence is
clinched against Special Relativity.
I’m certain that the Maxwell Theory and the Emission
Theory give Doppler shift in the Sagnac case. I can’t say the same about
STR."
The official verstion of STR does not distinguish between the velocity of
the source and the velocity of the observer. It recognizes only the
resultant velocity, v, for both of them.
AA Faraj writes: "The official verstion of STR does not
distinguish between the velocity of the source and the velocity of the
observer. It recognizes only the resultant velocity, v, for both of
them."
AS answers: this is just not true and you can see it in the paper
uploaded. The issue is moot anyway, in the IS experiment there is only
one speed , the speed of the source. Frankly I am getting tired of your
evasive moves, why don't you plug in the (only) v in the Cyrenika
formula for Doppler effect and compare with the experimental results of
Ives-Stilwell. Because you know that the results will be way off? Trying
to use a discredited theory (emission, not even APEIRON accepts papers
on this thing anymore) on a trivially explainable experiment (Sagnac)
will not achieve you a shot to "immortality" to quote you somewhat
liberally. I wrote the pieces on Sagnac and on Doppler just to help you
but you seem set to persist. Good luck, I am sure that you'll find some
fringe magazine to publish your paper on Sagnac.
A. Sfarti wrote "this is just not true and you can see it in the paper
uploaded"!
AAF writes "Besides, you clearly have a
trouble with the
basics. How can you claim that a theory, which
prides itself on 'all
motions are relative', makes distinction between
actual velocities? In
no way, on this theory, observers can know whether
they are moving or at
rest. The two states are by the first postulate
absolutely equal. Don't
mention your version of it to deny this. Yours is
not official, OK?"